Comments on: Lovie Smith-Two Thoughts http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/ Chicago Bears Blog Sat, 18 May 2013 23:54:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Roy Taylor http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19496 Roy Taylor Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:36:21 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19496 Agreed Perno. The funny thing is, as I'm sure you'd agree, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of how Smith handled players from 2007-2009. If he received another 5 years guaranteed, do we think he would coach with the same level of urgency? I'm saying not, because he didn't when he was in that position before. Agreed Perno. The funny thing is, as I’m sure you’d agree, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of how Smith handled players from 2007-2009. If he received another 5 years guaranteed, do we think he would coach with the same level of urgency? I’m saying not, because he didn’t when he was in that position before.

]]> By: Perno http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19495 Perno Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:51:35 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19495 I just hope Lovie learns something from this year. I love how he's holding players accountable and not letting them play if they can't get it done on the field. It sounds simple, "let the best players play" but unfortunately contracts, money, and draft position usually allow a big name start over someone more hungry to succeed in the NFL. Not this year! I just hope Lovie learns something from this year. I love how he’s holding players accountable and not letting them play if they can’t get it done on the field. It sounds simple, “let the best players play” but unfortunately contracts, money, and draft position usually allow a big name start over someone more hungry to succeed in the NFL. Not this year!

]]> By: Roy Taylor http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19486 Roy Taylor Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:06:22 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19486 Good to see you again JDM! The thing is, I bet there is no way Lovie's agent would allow him to sign just a one-year extension. No doubt they are pushing hard using the leverage he has right now that could be gone so quickly to get another 4-5 years guaranteed. I will be sick if they give him another $25 million guaranteed right now. Perno, I hear you, but look at this--the Vikings thought Childress was so brilliant they gave him 4 years and $12 million just a year ago. Once his players stopped performing...poof to the "genius." Thank God I will say that at least we know Lovie Smith is no Brad Childress. Good to see you again JDM! The thing is, I bet there is no way Lovie’s agent would allow him to sign just a one-year extension. No doubt they are pushing hard using the leverage he has right now that could be gone so quickly to get another 4-5 years guaranteed. I will be sick if they give him another $25 million guaranteed right now. Perno, I hear you, but look at this–the Vikings thought Childress was so brilliant they gave him 4 years and $12 million just a year ago. Once his players stopped performing…poof to the “genius.” Thank God I will say that at least we know Lovie Smith is no Brad Childress.

]]> By: jdm http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19481 jdm Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:06:12 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19481 Lovie Smith signed his contract fresh off two straight division titles and a Super Bowl apperance. Also, at the time, there were many long tenured coaches including Mike Holmgram, Tony Dungy, Mike Shannahan, Bill Cowher and John Gruden who were all making lots of money. It also didn't help Lovie Smith was the lowest paid head coach in the NFL before he signed his new contract. Of course, most of those coaches were also involved in player personnel, which Lovie Smith isn't officially responsible for (although he has plenty of input, see Adam Archuleta). Now, all those elite coaches are no longer with their respective teasms and only Shannahan is coaching again. Combine that with the economy being weaker, and Lovie Smith is not worth the multiple years. One additional year will be ok by me if the Bears make the playoffs. I never thought Lovie Smith was this terrible/moronic coach, but I don't think he's great, either. He's an average to a slightly above average head coach. Which, pretty much means he can be replaced, but you can do much worse. Lovie Smith signed his contract fresh off two straight division titles and a Super Bowl apperance. Also, at the time, there were many long tenured coaches including Mike Holmgram, Tony Dungy, Mike Shannahan, Bill Cowher and John Gruden who were all making lots of money. It also didn’t help Lovie Smith was the lowest paid head coach in the NFL before he signed his new contract. Of course, most of those coaches were also involved in player personnel, which Lovie Smith isn’t officially responsible for (although he has plenty of input, see Adam Archuleta). Now, all those elite coaches are no longer with their respective teasms and only Shannahan is coaching again. Combine that with the economy being weaker, and Lovie Smith is not worth the multiple years. One additional year will be ok by me if the Bears make the playoffs. I never thought Lovie Smith was this terrible/moronic coach, but I don’t think he’s great, either. He’s an average to a slightly above average head coach. Which, pretty much means he can be replaced, but you can do much worse.

]]> By: sven http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19478 sven Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:13:30 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19478 Whaow, thanks for the update jdm, I was probably stuck in '05... So the McCaskeys are not so cheap. Is that because he coaches the nickel position too? With that salary it should take more than just a playoff spot to extend him. Then I agree with Roy, since his salary could not go up much, let's wait or give him an extension with a recession-type salary. As for player talent, I'd say it is talent that fits the (coach's) scheme: look at Jennings, Toeaiana and Idonije. Whaow, thanks for the update jdm, I was probably stuck in ’05… So the McCaskeys are not so cheap. Is that because he coaches the nickel position too?
With that salary it should take more than just a playoff spot to extend him. Then I agree with Roy, since his salary could not go up much, let’s wait or give him an extension with a recession-type salary.
As for player talent, I’d say it is talent that fits the (coach’s) scheme: look at Jennings, Toeaiana and Idonije.

]]> By: jdm http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19476 jdm Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:13:01 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19476 Svn, Lovie Smith makes between $5-5.5 million a year, which puts him in the top 5 of coaches salary. If you extend him, you extend him for one season and make him prove he can continue to win. Svn, Lovie Smith makes between $5-5.5 million a year, which puts him in the top 5 of coaches salary. If you extend him, you extend him for one season and make him prove he can continue to win.

]]> By: Perno http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19474 Perno Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:52:17 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19474 I agree Roy...if Lovie can put together another winning season next year then by all means sign him to plenty of money since he'll be well worth the big contract. However I'd hate to be stuck with him if the Bears have a terrible year next year and have to look at 3-4 more years of average football. I really think he's in desperation mode right now and I like it since it seems to be working. One thing I don't agree with is when you say winning and losing is more about talent than coaching. The players have to be kept motivated and have a sense of belonging to a team that's "in it to win it" otherwise you'll just have a bunch of good players that don't get it done on the field together. I think it's a balance of good coaching and talent, that's why the elite teams are good for so long, in my opinion. I agree Roy…if Lovie can put together another winning season next year then by all means sign him to plenty of money since he’ll be well worth the big contract. However I’d hate to be stuck with him if the Bears have a terrible year next year and have to look at 3-4 more years of average football. I really think he’s in desperation mode right now and I like it since it seems to be working.

One thing I don’t agree with is when you say winning and losing is more about talent than coaching. The players have to be kept motivated and have a sense of belonging to a team that’s “in it to win it” otherwise you’ll just have a bunch of good players that don’t get it done on the field together. I think it’s a balance of good coaching and talent, that’s why the elite teams are good for so long, in my opinion.

]]> By: sven http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19471 sven Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:44:35 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19471 IF Lovie takes us to the playoffs this year - and as you said, IF - then his playoff reaching percentage is 43%, which is quite alright since every year 38% only of the teams (12 out of 28) go to the playoffs. I guess they want to sign him before he starts getting too much value (isn't he one of the lowest paid NFL coaches?). I agree it would be nonsense not to wait for the team to effectively clinch a playoff spot. Thing is, being wise is likely going to cost the McCaskeys. IF Lovie takes us to the playoffs this year – and as you said, IF – then his playoff reaching percentage is 43%, which is quite alright since every year 38% only of the teams (12 out of 28) go to the playoffs.
I guess they want to sign him before he starts getting too much value (isn’t he one of the lowest paid NFL coaches?). I agree it would be nonsense not to wait for the team to effectively clinch a playoff spot. Thing is, being wise is likely going to cost the McCaskeys.

]]> By: Roy Taylor http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19458 Roy Taylor Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:17:01 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19458 I don't think a coach's agent would EVER let any out clauses be put into the contract. It just doesn't happen for head coaches in the NFL. In '99, word has it Mike McCaskey wanted Dave McGinnis to sign a deal with an out after 2 years and he refused. I don’t think a coach’s agent would EVER let any out clauses be put into the contract. It just doesn’t happen for head coaches in the NFL. In ’99, word has it Mike McCaskey wanted Dave McGinnis to sign a deal with an out after 2 years and he refused.

]]> By: Brad http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19457 Brad Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:20:15 +0000 http://www.chicagobearsweblog.com/blog/index.php/chicago-bears-opinions/lovie-smith-two-thoughts/#comment-19457 I think that if he's given an extension, they'll put clauses in it like they did with Peppers. I can't see them not having an out somehow. I think that if he’s given an extension, they’ll put clauses in it like they did with Peppers. I can’t see them not having an out somehow.

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